Poker Etiquette and unspoken rules

[YP_alibaby]

This thread is not based on Triplejack. It is based on Texas Holdem poker. The thread is also basically for people to "throw out some ideas for better under standing the unspoken rules of Hold'em."

I believe the author of this thread made 2 point of views/inputs for us to comment.

first is the comparison of TJ from real texas hold em game. asking us what we think about his inputs regarding etiquittes in playing real texas hold em and playing on TJ with respect to going all in pre flop all the time.

second is about his inputs on the "unspoken rules" in real texas hold em poker. again asking what we think about the situation he stated.

What has been posted so far (that has been on track) have all been ideas to help players understand them better. But a large percentage has been arguments about what "unspoken rules" are.

I think that TJ players like me understands the first issue raised by the author since this has been clear to all players.

People comment mostly on the second issue, I think, because this "unspoken rule" like (again) revealing of cards before folding, is not that clear to us before.
For me, what this author has raised is very informative. It may sound like silly, but you know, if not because of this (the comments coming from real poker players) we would never know that indeed this action is not okay to many of you .

If the thread continues to go off track I will have to lock it. This is the "The Game Of Poker" forum, not the "Pie Bombing" forum. It is designed for serious talk about Poker in general, not for trying to flame an admin about anything and everything..

I only see 1 player go off track with the topic compared to 13 other replies in this thread.
Forum like this is created to give people a chance to exchange ideas and/or point of views. Argumentations here are inevitable since unique people we all are, we have different say on things right? Only that we have to be objective and censore ourselves from cursing and vulgarity as this violate other people's right. That's why we have admins to meddle with this kind of predicament.
Furthermore, I stand for posts that are fun but critical and relevant. And I stand with my posts.

I commend Alaska with this topic.

[grantus]

I'm sorry, I've only been playing here and using these forums for a few years.


Lets get back on track folks, as I said, if it goes further off topic I will have to lock it.

End of argument.

[VANILLA_nick]

This one really gets under my skin and i'm a big supporter of warning those who break this etiquette rule.
if they do it once, i'll kindly ask them to wait till the hand is over before revealing, they usually stop, although some take a little more explaining.
if they continue to do it a second and third time i'll give them warning saying "seriously, please dont do that again" or something.
again, warning system comes into play.
and if there arent enough players to warn them out, i'll boot them, but it hardly ever comes to the last step.

uhmmm. many players doesn't know that revealing cards before the end of betting violate "the" "etiquitte rule". if it's improper to reveal cards when folding even if betting has not yet ended, I really suggest big bosses of TJs would make "/r" feature works only every after end of the betting. Only that will solve the problem, IF it is REALLY REALLY improper to reveal your cards.
coz AGAIN most of the players here are just fans of this game. and most of us doesn't really know what real poker is like when it is played with real MONEY at stake.

having Z change something so trivial when he has bigger things on his mind would be dumb to ask. He's very busy and all it takes is some common sense and the problem is solved.
and if most of the players here are real fans of the game they would know the basics and that showing 2 of the cards in the deck that can't be in play ruins the hand.

[_Kev_]

i think that we all should be nice to each other and after hands say Nice Hand or in a tourney if u knock somone out dont laugh at them say Good Game. it dosent hurt to be nice

[abbie0728]

Simple- Find an admin.

Can i please have the list of active Admins...?
There names in-game... THank you...

[barbiequeen]

hi abbie, you can find a full list of admin names by clicking the 'The Team' below

[Gordon_j]

It really annoys me when players reveal their cards during play.

Unfortunately not everyone thinks this is wrong. I got a real mouthful a few nights back from a clown in a tournament who refused to accept that it was against the TJ rules to do so.

[kabsat]

how about this scenario...

One player made a huge raise and only one last contemplating/assessing players is active on the hand. All he have to do is either call or fold, then someone who maybe seated (this could get worse if that someone is just merely an audience in the room) but already folded and not actively in 'play' incessantly blurt outs either "call, call, call..." or 'fold, fold, fold..."?

I found myself in this situation with two different results.

A. After seeing the turn with a good amount of chips on the pot I made a raise that would make my counterpart (head-up play) go all in. I have a pretty much great drawing hand with flush draw, an open-ended straight and two over cards... I'm pretty confident with that card regardless if my opponent hit anything on the flop. So my opponent pretty much was in dilemma, and thought hardly what to do... then out of nowhere this 'someone' blurted out and egged him with words such as "call, call, call..." Call he did, and i didn't hit any of my seemingly endless outs, and guess what he have, a bottom pair of the board.

I was annoyed by this because i'm pretty sure that in normal case my opponent would have easily folded and yielded whatever's in the pot, however this 'someone' who i have played with pretty much knew me well enough than my opponent, considering that i played more hands against this 'someone' than my actual opponent in this particular hand. Oh my... i was so upset that i never did play for the rest of the day.

B. In this particular hand I got pockets JJ and raised preflop that made others fold til someone on the last position (not the same opponent who i mentioned in incident A.) thought over on what to do... Oh well, guess what, the same 'someone' yelled/egged him to "call, call, call..." And yes, call he did (he went all in) he's got offsuit A10 and I won the hand. Still, i went on my way of reiterating and reminding that 'someone' to observe proper etiquette or simply a courtesy for his fellow players. (funny how he reacted, he challenged me heads-up, which i wholeheartedly declined)

Oh well...

[Elmseeker]

For example heres a unspoken rule that leans away from proper etiquette: Player A keeps showing his/her cards before folding out while there is still others playing and betting. This isnt braking a rule but it would surely upset some players if there counting on those cards, or if another player wants other players to chase there bets.

This isn't an unspoken rule, it is a rule rule...disclosing the contents of your hand with action pending is a MAJOR violation of poker rules. In a casino you could be asked to leave for doing this repeatedly and in a tournament you would generally get a warning and then have time penalties placed on you.

12. No Disclosure
Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all
times. Therefore, players, whether in the hand or not, may not:
1. Disclose contents of live or folded hands
2. Advise or criticize play before the action is complete
3. Read a hand that hasn’t been tabled
The one-player-to-a-hand rule will be enforced.

[CaptDarkStar]

Leave it to Elmseeker to add in proof on his claims lol =P But yes I think it should be discouraged here at TJ although I have been guilty of showing off my colors are single cards in attempts to bluff. I probably should stop doing that

[cr14mson]

*resurrects thread*

Hey guys, TJ newbie here. I know it's bannable to go All In every hand during pre-flop but how about this: suppose I got a 2G stack and my opponents are left with 350 to 500 dollars; and pre-flop, I keep betting just enough to force everyone to go All In or fold.

Bannable?
Poor etiquette?
Good tactic?

[SphygmomanometeR]

Good day

Bannable?
Poor etiquette?
Good tactic?

None of the above!!!!

You're just a regular/typical type of a player...

Bannable - if you go all in consecutively with your stack (2G) that is against the rule and may cause you being ban... Raising it most of the time may call you a BULLY knowing that your opponents had a less chips than you have..

Poor Etiquette - actually we can't call it poor etiquette unless you keep on cursing and intimidating your opponent...eg...speaking bad words...pieing...breaking the rules...etc.

Good tactic - sometimes it works but it depends on your cards...if it is a good cards YES it is a good tactic...but...if you've got nothing then i may call you a CLOWN.

More power and enjoy playing!!!!

[cr14mson]

Thanks for clearing it up, SphygmomanometeR! 'Twas my first day on TJ so I wasn't really sure. hahaha Cool!

[hot_spicy_13]

I think the presence of TJ players can easily solved the poor etiquette and unspoken rules. Let me explain myself in a very simple manner.

1. Warning system. ( This alone might sort the problem.)
E.g.
Whatever the player has done that causes trouble in a particular table, 4 warnings won't let the player being tolerated. And that's why if you checked the reasons for giving warnings you will find that you can warn a player because of it's poor etiquette.
2. Helpers/ Admins. ( Needed when problem persist after warnings failed to do its part). Generally speaking, even rules are written perfectly, the application of it relies on the understanding/interpretation of the person. And because of that, Helpers/Admins exist to remind and exercise the rules because most of the players don't read them anyways.

Honestly, just a simple verbal warning is enough to stop such bad poker etiquette and can create awareness. Unspoken rules is being spoken now. Admins can give a standard broadcast for that for everyone to hear/read/see on TJ. Room owners can even personalized the /r command in their welcome messages to make it a rule in the room.

As it's stated in the past post in here, common sense will make things easier.If someone refuse to use their common sense, help them work their common sense by giving them a reminder.

[TTJ_TaMBaY]

lets just play nice and make friends.. ..thats what the site wer made for